I guess this is a lichess meme now. 2 different players have said "well played" since you made this post. I'm going to run with it and say "well played" instead of Gg from now on. No one is going to get offended if it's an inside joke on lichess.
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@FredtheCrusher said in #1:
> Most everyone would consider it rude to say something like "I played better than you" after winning a game. But "well played" seems to imply the same thing. If the opponent played well but you still won, then you must have played better.
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> Of course you could have been outplayed and won due to a single blunder, but then the severity of that one mistake would outweigh all of your smaller mistakes combined, meaning that you played better.
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> Am I the only one who considers it rude to say "well played" after winning?
'Well played' doesn't mean 'I played better'. It could be intended to say that in disguise, but that falls back on whoever uses or reads it that way. We must assume that the phrase points to the quality. The game being won and lost, the question remains how? If the winner offers a compliment, I react with thank you.
That being said, there is much too big emphasis on goodness and wellness in chess while it should be about gratitude being able to play a game at all. A simple ty gives that, while gg and well played are idle.
> Most everyone would consider it rude to say something like "I played better than you" after winning a game. But "well played" seems to imply the same thing. If the opponent played well but you still won, then you must have played better.
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> Of course you could have been outplayed and won due to a single blunder, but then the severity of that one mistake would outweigh all of your smaller mistakes combined, meaning that you played better.
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> Am I the only one who considers it rude to say "well played" after winning?
'Well played' doesn't mean 'I played better'. It could be intended to say that in disguise, but that falls back on whoever uses or reads it that way. We must assume that the phrase points to the quality. The game being won and lost, the question remains how? If the winner offers a compliment, I react with thank you.
That being said, there is much too big emphasis on goodness and wellness in chess while it should be about gratitude being able to play a game at all. A simple ty gives that, while gg and well played are idle.
No. Saying thanks after flagging someone with -20 material is.
In chess played with a clock flagging is legitimate and saying thank you is as fine as ever.
"Most everyone would consider it rude to say something like "I played better than you" after winning a game."
I can believe that.
"But "well played" seems to imply the same thing. If the opponent played well but you still won, then you must have played better."
It seems so, but after some thought I do disagree. Just because I won, it doesn't necessarily mean that I believe that I played overall better than you. I borrow your example: I was outplayed in a brilliant way, but I eventually won due to a silly tactical oversight in the end. You did the more difficult thing, so you deserve a lot of credit.
"Of course you could have been outplayed and won due to a single blunder, but then the severity of that one mistake would outweigh all of your smaller mistakes combined, meaning that you played better."
That one mistake mattered more to the eventual outcome of the game than all the smaller ones combined, but it is questionable to believe that "The player who won played the best". Some people would rather be the guy that outplayed his opponent but lost in the end due to a simple tactic. So, one might be the winner in the end, but the loser in the beginning and middle.
Of course, it's easier to not sound sarcastic in real life than through the internet!
I can believe that.
"But "well played" seems to imply the same thing. If the opponent played well but you still won, then you must have played better."
It seems so, but after some thought I do disagree. Just because I won, it doesn't necessarily mean that I believe that I played overall better than you. I borrow your example: I was outplayed in a brilliant way, but I eventually won due to a silly tactical oversight in the end. You did the more difficult thing, so you deserve a lot of credit.
"Of course you could have been outplayed and won due to a single blunder, but then the severity of that one mistake would outweigh all of your smaller mistakes combined, meaning that you played better."
That one mistake mattered more to the eventual outcome of the game than all the smaller ones combined, but it is questionable to believe that "The player who won played the best". Some people would rather be the guy that outplayed his opponent but lost in the end due to a simple tactic. So, one might be the winner in the end, but the loser in the beginning and middle.
Of course, it's easier to not sound sarcastic in real life than through the internet!
@JoshuaAKnight and @EithanT
I never claimed that people are acting with malicious intent when saying "well played". I rather think that that they don't realize what their words imply. Furthermore it seems to me that you didn't address my initial points in any way.
I never claimed that people are acting with malicious intent when saying "well played". I rather think that that they don't realize what their words imply. Furthermore it seems to me that you didn't address my initial points in any way.
Ik its rude. That's why I do it.
You can leave out everything that contains an evaluation like "good" or "well" and could be interpreted sarcastically. Why not saying only "Thank you for the game" - that shows respect for the opponent, not matter if won or lost.
[automatic "good game well played']
@BorisOspasky said in #47:
> I dont believe that there’s that option in Lichess
Yes there is, look better.
Pity. Lichess should have the humbleness to recognize they implemented a controversial feature, annoying to many players, counterproductive.
It's tipically a programmer's thinking, that automation is good. Well, when it comes to human interaction, matter of fact is that no, automation is bad. Words become spam, thanks to automation.
@BorisOspasky said in #47:
> I dont believe that there’s that option in Lichess
Yes there is, look better.
Pity. Lichess should have the humbleness to recognize they implemented a controversial feature, annoying to many players, counterproductive.
It's tipically a programmer's thinking, that automation is good. Well, when it comes to human interaction, matter of fact is that no, automation is bad. Words become spam, thanks to automation.
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